Body-liberation activist and author Jes Baker joins to talk about her new book, Landwhale; the value in all kinds of coping mechanisms and why we need to stop demonizing so-called “emotional eating;” the transmission of body negativity, body dysmorphia, and chronic dieting through family members; the difference between intellectually understanding HAES and actually integrating its practices into our lives and recovery journeys; and so much more! Plus, Christy answers a listener question about how to deal with family members commenting on your snack choices, and whether intuitive eating really requires us to eat entirely without distractions.
JES BAKER is a positive, progressive, and magnificently irreverent force to be reckoned with in the realm of self-love advocacy and mental health. She believes in the importance of body autonomy, hard conversations, strong coffee, and even stronger language.
When not writing, Jes spends her time speaking around the world, working with plus size clothing companies, organizing body liberation events, taking pictures in her underwear and attempting to convince her cats that they like to wear bow ties. Find her online at TheMilitantBaker.com.
The idea that our thoughts and opinions are always evolving
Jes’s realization that she wasn’t a fat child, and that she internalized body shame that wasn’t hers
How poverty created an environment of food scarcity for Jes growing up
The transmission of body negativity, body dysmorphia, and chronic dieting through family members
The negative messages Jes received about her body throughout her childhood
Jes’s process of finding Health at Every Size and intuitive eating, and healing her relationship with food and her body
The difference between intellectually understanding HAES and actually integrating its practices into our lives and recovery journeys
Understanding that HAES, intuitive eating, and healing take time, and that the process of coming to them is not linear
The value in all kinds of coping mechanisms, and why we need to move away from thinking of some coping techniques as “good” and some as “bad”
Why food is a beneficial coping mechanism, how universally powerful food is, and the healing that comes with embracing the pleasure of food instead of demonizing “emotional eating”
The pendulum between Dietland and Donutland, and how in the beginning of the process of letting go of dieting, our food choices are often reactionary choices to rebel against diet culture
Jes’ process of trying to find Discernment, and her goal of trying to move away from reactionary choices around food
Dietland vs diet culture, and why we need to support individuals but destroy the system
Jes’s move away from the concept of body love and toward the idea of body liberation, and why it’s important not to switch out one obsession for another
The value in moving away from beauty standards altogether rather than trying to make room for more diversity within the existing standard
The power of visibility and representation
Jes’s relationship with exercise and movement, and her journey to trying to find fun, healing, exciting, safe forms of movement
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Submit your questions for a chance to have them answered on the podcast!
My online course, Intuitive Eating Fundamentals, which includes monthly listener Q&A podcasts and access to my private Facebook support group
Jes’s first Food Psych Podcast episode
Things No One Will Tell Fat Girls by Jes Baker
Michael Pollan’s Netflix special, Cooked (CW: possible diet culture messages)
Fat Kid Dance Party with Bevin Branlandingham
Listener Question of the Week
How can we challenge the food police, especially when we have people in our lives who act as the food police? How can we communicate with our family about our food struggles and help them to understand why you need conversation free of diet talk? What does it look like to set boundaries--and reinforce them? Is there something wrong with distraction during eating? How does The Wellness Diet reinforce this idea that we should only eat without distractions? Can distraction actually help us find recovery? How can embracing pleasure help us to defeat The Life Thief?
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